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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><span style='font-size:20.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'>Minutes of
Teleconference 10 October 2006<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><span style='font-size:20.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'>Data Access
and Prototype WG (IPDA)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'>Date: 10 October 2006,
15:00-15:50 UTC</p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'>Participants:</p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>PDS-EN,
JPL: <span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><span style='mso-tab-count:
1'> </span>Dan Crichton, Sean Kelly</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>PDS-Geoscience
Node:<span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>Susan Slavney, Ed Guinness, Tom
Stein</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>PSA-ESTEC:
<span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><span
style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>Joe Zender, David Heather</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>PSA-ESAC:
<span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><span style='mso-tab-count:
1'> </span><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>Christophe
Arviset, Jesus Salgado (c)</p>
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style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
10.0pt'>Action Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'>Actions related to Data Access WG
taken from IPDA general actions.</p>
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<p class=WW-TableHeading style='text-align:justify'>Status</p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>200605-02</p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>SK, JS</p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>Update existing agency
prototypes to support for spatial response (15 June 2006)</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>2006Jun22: done on PSA
side (closed), SK will do before end of June 2006</p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:green'>PSA:
closed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>PDS:
ongoing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>Superseded
by new action <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>200610-01
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>200605-03</p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>ALL</p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>Develop individual
clients to demonstrate interoperability:</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>. Map-based demonstration
(for mid July) as IDL search and map-based search</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'>. Integration into the
PDS-D search (30 June)</p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>Map-based
done until new PDS data available<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>PDS
prototype ongoing accessing PDS datasets through OODT and PSA datasets
through PDAP. Not public yet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>Superseded
by new action <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>200610-01<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=WW-TableContents style='text-align:justify'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:
-14.15pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span class=Teletype><b><span
style='font-family:"Cumberland AMT"'>1<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></b></span><![endif]><span class=Teletype><b><span
style='font-family:"Cumberland AMT"'>PDS and PSA PDAP compatibility versus map
client implementation (SK+JZ+JS)<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'>A nice to
have during the next November meeting is a PDS-PSA interoperability concept
demo using the PSA-ESTEC map client. </p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'>Testing
PSA-PDAP implementation:</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'>- Some PSA
Server access problems due to different reasons: connectivity problems
(hopefully solved) and performance degradation (problem identified and to be
solved for next version)</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:
-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>VOTable dtd pointing to version 1.0 instead of 1.1 (to
be changed). The parsing is disabled in the client so this is not a
showstopper, but it will be changed for consistency</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'>Testing
PDS-PDAP implementation:</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:
-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>Empty VOTable from PDS server for certain queries. SK
checked the query directly and he found to possible problems: geometrical
information could be wrong (all products look to be in the same spatial
position), and memory problems (too many objects). This second problem could be
solved using pagination in a future PDAP document version including pagination,
but it will be solved in a near future in two possible ways: limit the number
of products to a certain number (only to be used for the November meeting) or
stream the VOTable in bunches instead of loading the entire result in memory.
Both solutions are also applicable for the PSA-PDAP implementation</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:
-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>JZ reported no footprints from the PDS-PDAP
implementation have been displayed yet. JZ asked if the RESOURCE_CLASS=IMAGE
queries have been implemented and SK answered affirmatively</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'>As some items
needed to be changed in both servers and, perhaps, in the client a new action
is raised on SK, JZ and JS to solve/trace all the open issues for the demo.</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:
-14.15pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span class=Teletype><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-family:"Cumberland AMT"'>2<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></b></span><![endif]><span
class=Teletype><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-family:
"Cumberland AMT"'>PDS PDAP client status (SK+DC)<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:12.0pt;text-align:justify'>SK reported a
client has been implemented connecting to PSA datasets through PDAP protocol
and to PDS through OODT. DC confirmed there are plans to present this client
during next November meeting as a different flavor of client.</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:12.0pt;text-align:justify'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>
<h1 style='mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span class=Teletype><span
style='font-family:"Cumberland AMT"'>3<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span class=Teletype><span style='font-family:
"Cumberland AMT"'>PDAP document suggested changes discussion (JS+SK)<o:p></o:p></span></span></h1>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'>Some
comments/changes proposed to the PDAP document (by SH and SK). This is the
summary and status:</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>POST requests as well (Status: accepted) </p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>URL spaces allowed but replaced with the + character
(Status: accepted)</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>Reference to VOTable version 1.1 instead of just
VOTable (Status: accepted)</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>UnicodeChar instead of char: Accept characters outside
US-ASCII range for dataset IDs. (Status: This could produce parsing problems
for clients. For the first protocol version, we can maintain this constraint
and, in case other agencies need special characters, it can be modified in a
future version)</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>Typo POLIGON instead of<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>POLYGON in example (Status: accepted)</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>RESOURCE_CLASS instead of RESSCLASS as the name for the
field for the output (Status: accepted)</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>DATA_SET.DATA_SET_NAME instead of DATA_SET.DESCRIPTION
(Status: accepted)</p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>PRODUCT.PRODUCT_ID instead of PRODUCT.DESCRIPTION<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>(Status: accepted)<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>RETURN_TYPE=TEXT instead of RETURN_TYPE=ASCII: The main
objection is not because of the parameter name but because of the limitation to
US-ASCII characters implicit in the name. (Status: As it is better to have this
limitation for the parsing in clients, this can be maintained for the time
being. In case other agencies need special characters, it can be modified in a
future version)<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>Use of RETURN parameter instead of RESOURCE_CLASS=METADATA.
SH proposal to include a new parameter (RETURN) to be used for discovery,
leaving RESOURCE_CLASS for its normal use. (Status: accepted. Action to SH to
write down the proposal in a way to include it directly in the PDAP spec)<b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:32.15pt;text-align:justify;
text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo8;tab-stops:list 32.15pt'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span><![endif]>Use of RETURN to access metadata field in a fine grain:
SH proposal to use the RETURN parameter to access specific metadata fields
(e.g. RETURN=DATA to access the data access link) (Status: Following this
approach, the PDAP will have a fine grain access to metadata, so it can be very
useful. However, it has to be evaluated if that implies complexity in the PDAP
server implementation (filtering could be done at server, at client side or
both). Open for discussion in the forum)<b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'><span
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'>JS will prepare a version containing all the
accepted changes and it will be sent again to the DAP WG forum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=WW-TableContents style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'><span
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:
-14.15pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'>5<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></b><![endif]><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
10.0pt'>AOB<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:
-14.15pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'>6<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></b><![endif]><b
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
10.0pt'>Summary of New Actions<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoBodyTextIndent>200610-01 SK/JZ/JS Coordinate/implement necessary
changes in PDAP server/client map implementation to be presented during
November meeting</p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'><span
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'><span
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'>200610-02 JS Add accepted changes in the PDAP
spec doc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'><span
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:14.15pt;text-align:justify'><span
style='mso-bidi-font-weight:bold'>200610-03 SH Write down use of RETURN
parameter to query service capabilities (QUERY_PARAMETERS) to be included in
the document</span><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt'>6. Next
teleconf<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'>Next teleconference is planned
for 31 October 2006, 16:00 UTC,<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>(17:00
ESTEC/ESAC, 08:00 JPL/PDT) just after the Archive Standards Working Group
teleconf, e.g., at ~16:40</p>
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